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PostPosted: Thu 6. Sep 2012, 20:34 
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Fascinating, how almost every US discussion in the internet is divided into those two opposing persuasions. Both sides - democrats and republicans - claim to have facts but not only seem the facts to be contradictory both sides lack to view at the broader picture, the interconnections. That is why I offer a model on the arguments found on the topic of energy policy:
https://www.imodeler.info/ro?key=AZd58l ... L7iZ6fZkHA
Apart from that model would like to mention that it doesn't has to be for the environment's sake that we change energy policies - it is for pure economical reason. A few simple questions should work:

1. Cheap (fossil) energy saves jobs, right?
2. Will there be an end to cheap fossil energy?
3. What should our children or grandchildren (personally I think it will affect already me)use then?
4.Ah, so you are for renewables, too, but you think it takes more time and we need to be able to afford it?
4.1. What will make renewables less expensive?
5. Ah, you think there will be thorium or uranium to get rid of all problems?
5.1. Why aren't they used already if they are an inexpensive alternative?

And so on. The US has its own fossil resources - Europe has too few of its own. No expert will dispute that it will become ever more expensive to drill for oil and gas. So Europe will next to interestingly China start developing the much needed technology for the future and the best that can happen is that the US is voting for republicans and the competitive edge goes to Europe (I live there :-). But it isn't that funny for Europe as well because as Chris N. mentioned (here http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discus ... set-thread) every year that passes without progress means that it becomes more likely that economic activity will collapse with every cent we have to pay more for resources we have less to spend for things that create jobs. There lies the vicious cycle. Once started the whole economy will soon collapse. Another argument: the costs of renewable energy and its technology today heavily depends on the costs of fossil energy. So if it is too expensive today to build solar panels it won't become cheaper tomorrow. But if you compare the effect of subsidies for fossil energy with that of renewable energy you have to take into account that the 'fuel' for renewables comes in most cases for free - it is not the MW installed, it is to total cost per megawatt over a facility's lifespan.
A Chinese saying: Dig a well when you have the power not when you are thirsty!

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